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Posted on: 5-24-14

steverino

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Thread: The High Resolution PCM files business, where?
           Reply: Don't examine Pristine too closely  
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 Romy the Cat wrote:

The Brits Pristine “eventually” heard my call. A few years back I begged them to sell the raw 24-bit masters bit not the 16/44 releases, as the down conversion below 20 bit kills too much of sound. It looks like nowadays they get smarter and make 24 bit available:

http://www.pristineclassical.com/More/DownloadFormats.html

Unfortunately they do not make the raw 24-bit file available. They heavily process the files with their in house “restoration ceremony” and make the 24-bit after ceremony masters available. It is MUCH better then what they use to do porting this music to 16 bit on crapy CDs. Stull, I would like to get the raw 24-bit file BEFORE they do the mastering. It shall be my decision if I prefer their “mastering “and I do not what anybody makes this decision for me.

The Cat


I didn't notice Romy's reference of Pristine Classical. I had an "interesting" encounter with them via their "hirez" manipulations of Furtwangler's RAI Ring cycle recordings from EMI. They were of course deliriously recommended on Amazon so I went to their site to listen. If I had an MP3 player their various sound files might have been OK but each was dramatically inferior to the old LPs. I investigated further what they were doing and determined that all their various versions were sourced from needledrops of - you guessed it - the 1970s LP issue of the Furtwangler Ring on EMI. One set of encodings and probably the least bad were the straight mono files derived from the needledrops. The worst were the ones most loudly praised of course; namely, a "stereo" version. This was a slightly more sophisticated version of the old electronic stereo process combined with some sort of treble brightening to simulate a bit of treble air. Of course the sounds of the instruments became even more artificial sounding than with the mono needledrop version. I would have to assume that all of their sources are equally questionable unless they provide independent documentation to the contrary.
 Posted Date All replies in the thread
  9-29-09   The High Resolution PCM files business, where?   (9-29-09)..Romy the Cat
  9-30-09   The muddy water of hi-res files.   (9-30-09)..Romy the Cat
  10-1-09   The Linn Records Recordings   (10-1-09)..Romy the Cat
  10-2-09   The Linn recordings: listening   (10-2-09)..Romy the Cat
  10-2-09   One more try: 192K PCM scewed by SACD vs the naked 192K PCM   (10-2-09)..Romy the Cat
  10-2-09   Very disappointing.   (10-2-09)..Romy the Cat
  10-6-09   …even more about the Hi-Res files.   (10-6-09)..Romy the Cat
  10-6-09   Tossy in 192/24   (10-6-09)..perrew
  10-6-09   The DVD-A vs. the raw data files   (10-6-09)..Romy the Cat
  10-7-09   Tossy Tchaikovsky in Hi-Res   (10-7-09)..perrew
  10-7-09   The LPCM vs. PCM, why this 'debate' even necessary?   (10-7-09)..Romy the Cat
  10-7-09   Is PCM rawer than wav?   (10-7-09)..perrew
  10-8-09   After listening most of the raw files providers…   (10-8-09)..Romy the Cat
  4-16-12   HDtrack - please, somebody blow up their 'headquarter'.   (4-16-12)..Romy the Cat
  1-17-13   So called high-res files   (1-17-13)..steverino
  6-26-13   I've been telling it for years - kill those people.   (6-26-13)..Romy the Cat
  3-18-14   What could be better?   (3-18-14)..Romy the Cat
  3-18-14   Local newstand   (3-18-14)..steverino
  3-19-14   Character counts?   (3-19-14)..rowuk
  3-21-14   Fog of war   (3-21-14)..steverino
  3-23-14   Ingnorance is bliss?   (3-23-14)..rowuk
  5-22-14   Bravo!   (5-22-14)..Romy the Cat
  5-23-14   An article any of us would have written but how refreshing from the audiophile press   (5-23-14)..steverino
  5-23-14   Transients   (5-23-14)..Paul S
  5-23-14   Getting my mind right   (5-23-14)..steverino
  5-24-14   Don't examine Pristine too closely   (5-24-14)..steverino
  5-24-14   Agreed   (5-24-14)..Paul S
  5-24-14   Sure   (5-24-14)..steverino
  5-24-14   Fuck the Pristine   (5-24-14)..Romy the Cat
  5-24-14   Fraud and borderline personalities   (5-24-14)..steverino
  5-25-14   Did I tell that I am a humanist?   (5-25-14)..Romy the Cat
  5-25-14   Really bad   (5-25-14)..steverino

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