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Romy the Cat


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Post #: 81
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There are other ways.
 Paul S wrote:
I do think that there are "purely electro-mechanical" issues worth talking about for anyone actually thinking seriously about The Loudspeakers.
Paul, if you suggest any seriousness of thinking about loudspeakers or about any other aspect of audio for that matter then this is exactly what I defend. You can’t make any judgment about audio elements using your own subjectivism as a reference point, it defeats all purpose and make “right” a person to be the own who sells own ideas better. I absolutely abandoned this version of audio. There are other ways.



"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
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Post #: 82
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Sales and Marketing vs. Akashic Record
I guess anyone who has that agenda might have to put that first. Not I. Like you said in a little earlier  post, we talk about impedance and cone resonance, nuts and bolts, that sort of thing, and naturally it winds up just like the Accuracy vs. Musicality vs. YMMV. Still looking forward to your own synopsis or perhaps introduction to your current ideas/approach, even if it results in post-apocalytic GSC.

Best regards,
Paul S
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Romy the Cat


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Ok
Yes, after I explain my “Audio 2025 apocalypse” it will be better perspective to understand all my current blabbering. You can start to think about it yourself if you ask yourself HOW you know that there is a relation between cone resonance and what you feel. I promise you that it is not as simple question as it might appear.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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rowuk


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Post #: 84
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Personal relationship to gear
In my view, the loudspeaker is a type of musical instrument that can be manipulated in any number of ways, albeit with playback, primarily statically. Just like the acclimation period with a musical instrument, we become accustomed to various parameters as well as the "feedback" to our senses. For those taking their playback (or acclimation to a musical instrument) seriously, there is a period of refinement during which there are things good and bad obvious to our perception. We react with our experience to solve these challenges, or learn new skills to deal with them. Hopefully at one stage, we reach a point where there are few triggers for disturbances in the presentation. At this point, we become "confident" in the overall response and turn the playback on with different motivation. At this point, we can hear THROUGH the playback and our focus is no longer the presentation, rather the performance. Paul, I believe that this is what happened with "the Loudspeakers".

In my view, the next step (I am not assuming that anyone here is not already well along in this part of the journey) is the acclimation to the "performances" where we learn through experience to become confident in the readings by specific artists or ensembles. This stage borrows tools from listening to live performances and we in fact, then select the performances to be played back in a more purposeful way. When our musically interpretive chops are up to speed, we start to ask questions about why this is important, what it does to and with us as well as how and why we react internally the way we do and in my view more importantly, how we react externally - do we have things to share, things to learn outside of our comfort zone.

In my 60 years of performance and >55 years of audio, I have had the great fortune of having mentors during critical and non critical periods and learning the lesson that that good fortune certainly showed me how small I really am in the overall scope of things BUT that I can still make an important difference by freely sharing those skills learned. The unfortunate reality is that there is a lot of preparation required to practice those skills. How can one communicate a transcendental moment to someone who does not practice any type of process hygiene?


Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.
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Romy the Cat


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Post #: 85
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Bingo!!
 rowuk wrote:
In my view, the loudspeaker is a type of musical instrument that can be manipulated in any number of ways, albeit with playback, primarily statically. Just like the acclimation period with a musical instrument, we become accustomed to various parameters as well as the "feedback" to our senses. For those taking their playback (or acclimation to a musical instrument) seriously, there is a period of refinement during which there are things good and bad obvious to our perception. We react with our experience to solve these challenges, or learn new skills to deal with them. Hopefully at one stage, we reach a point where there are few triggers for disturbances in the presentation. At this point, we become "confident" in the overall response and turn the playback on with different motivation. At this point, we can hear THROUGH the playback and our focus is no longer the presentation, rather the performance. Paul, I believe that this is what happened with "the Loudspeakers".

In my view, the next step (I am not assuming that anyone here is not already well along in this part of the journey) is the acclimation to the "performances" where we learn through experience to become confident in the readings by specific artists or ensembles. This stage borrows tools from listening to live performances and we in fact, then select the performances to be played back in a more purposeful way. When our musically interpretive chops are up to speed, we start to ask questions about why this is important, what it does to and with us as well as how and why we react internally the way we do and in my view more importantly, how we react externally - do we have things to share, things to learn outside of our comfort zone.

In my 60 years of performance and >55 years of audio, I have had the great fortune of having mentors during critical and non critical periods and learning the lesson that that good fortune certainly showed me how small I really am in the overall scope of things BUT that I can still make an important difference by freely sharing those skills learned. The unfortunate reality is that there is a lot of preparation required to practice those skills. How can one communicate a transcendental moment to someone who does not practice any type of process hygiene?
Okay, it is very strange and beautiful at the same time. I follow every single word you say, and then the idea you express—and it is superbly ironic that this is exactly what I am doing with my new… let’s call it a unified theory of audio that I began developing in 2025. Robin, what you are saying is absolutely accurate, and I agree with every twist, except that your twists leave certain gaps. My theory attempts to fill those gaps, transforming it from a hypothesis into a sensible and believable framework. I would actually like to use you as a kind of test subject and explain it to you personally, just to see your reaction. Would you be interested in having a Zoom session with me?


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
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Post #: 86
Post ID: 29607
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Affirmation
Robin, as you suggest, I did indeed have some specific things in mind when I chose and developed The Loudspeakers for myself, after a very long haul up to that point. I have tried to share about it in this thread, in my own, non-linear way, still trying to include more than just the usual isolated nuts and bolts, albeit I think the "audience" for else is pretty limited. Like you said, the sound system certainly has its own signature or stamp to "figure out" and either integrate or "filter out", also factoring the recording, and so on. It is what it is, and we (I) are (am) aiming to hear Music, or at least significant parts of it, and performances are very important to me where this is concerned, as well, multi-dimensionally. You mention some Musical/performance touchstones, and I hope these will always add to listening for me. Indeed, I suppose I regard this bonus as something of a reward for my dilgence and devotion. Those who don't know or don't care may never care. God bless us, every one.

Best regards,
Paul S
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Romy the Cat


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Post #: 87
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"You don't see nothing yet"- Roger Waters
 Paul S wrote:
Robin, as you suggest, I did indeed have some specific things in mind when I chose and developed The Loudspeakers for myself, after a very long haul up to that point. I have tried to share about it in this thread, in my own, non-linear way, still trying to include more than just the usual isolated nuts and bolts, albeit I think the "audience" for else is pretty limited. Like you said, the sound system certainly has its own signature or stamp to "figure out" and either integrate or "filter out", also factoring the recording, and so on. It is what it is, and we (I) are (am) aiming to hear Music, or at least significant parts of it, and performances are very important to me where this is concerned, as well, multi-dimensionally. You mention some Musical/performance touchstones, and I hope these will always add to listening for me. Indeed, I suppose I regard this bonus as something of a reward for my dilgence and devotion. Those who don't know or don't care may never care. God bless us, every one.

Best regards,
Paul S
Paul, I am not a cult leader; I am an engineer. I do not believe that God should save us, but that human consciousness must take responsibility. It is impossible to understand the meaning of sonic perception without proper psychological attribution. This mechanism of attribution and interpretation is what I have been studying, and it has become a central focus of my work. In the context of audio, this research does not merely make evaluation more objective—it establishes an absolutely objective framework that applies universally, independent of personal taste, background, or identity. While its immediate application concerns audio and playback systems, the implications of this work extend far beyond that field. Therefore, when I speak about efforts in audio, I mean that none of our individual pursuits—yours, mine, or anyone else’s—exist in isolation from these psychological structures, and without recognizing them, we risk pursuing refined but ultimately self-reflective illusions.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
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Post #: 88
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Deconstructing Myths
Well, Romy, good luck where everyone else so far has +/- fallen short, including Jung and Joseph Campbell. Frameworks and platforms can be useful, like launching rockets, but the Collective Unconscious is a Big Subject, and surely the appearance of The Mountain depends on the angle of approach. Are you saying that the sound system is not a myth, and "certain aspects" of Music are served by "agreed means"? Doesn't the scaffolding have to be "dealt with", just like the sound system? My flying squirrel suit is my idea of Existentialism that owes to the Stoics, and I very much agree that Consciousness and Will are the tools we have to work with.

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