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Amir
Iran Tehran
Posts 393
Joined on 02-11-2009

Post #: 41
Post ID: 29855
Reply to: 29854
Audio Business
 Paul S wrote:
Amir, it seems like, if this is so, then no need to worry or even think about anything but DPoLS? On the one hand, this puts you out of business. On the other hand, how nice to put all the nonsense behind!

Best regards,
Paul S

Paul, audio is not my main business, Audio is my passion and if I shared the list of super expensive DACs it does not mean audio is just buying super expensive equipments. If you check my first post in goodsoundclub was 2009 in DPOLS topic and I started audio buseiness since 2018. 
I did not say all audio equipments are equal and I respect good audio designers for their great audio equipments but I think DPOLS is very different experience.
I believe if “better sound” is like dimension “X” then DPOLS is another independent dimension “Y” so those are different in my mind. I also think “better sound” is not equal to “better music listening experience” and these are two different concepts. 

My priority in Audio : 

Step one: DPOLS , Finding perfect position for left speaker is very important but even if your left speaker is in semi perfect position the position of right speaker is even more important than left speaker. Right speaker should match to left for best integration.  
 
Step two: good sounding room, recently I was in a room with simple L shape less than 30 sqm , the sound was wonderful even with high reverberation time and also poor audio playback system. Very interesting experience. It seems the sound mainly comes from the room not from the audio playback system. 

Step three: perfect AC power quality and perfect RF rejection with best grounding and interconnection techniques. I like nelson pass modified AES48 grounding schematic for Class II audio devices. I believe in my home the RF problem is not less important than AC Power quality. 

Step four: a good audio system is important but it is less important than those three concepts. I am not against expensive audio equipments, for example I like my expensive CEC TL0 3.0 transport. I do not care about expensive vs non expensive equipments, to me the performance matters.


www.amiraudio.com, www.hifi.ir
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
Posts 2,910
Joined on 10-12-2006

Post #: 42
Post ID: 29856
Reply to: 29855
Price vs. Performance
I like the idea of at least 2 vectors or tangents regarding audio system awareness/approaches. This is because I have long heard for myself that the Music I hear from an audio system might move me even though Level 1 sound is not audiophile quality, and there have been plenty of times where I was unmoved by music rendered by fancy, very expensive audio systems with plenty of Level 1 features to talk and write about. But who am I to say that people should not pay a lot for systems that are basically sound processors and delivery systems that more or less disregard Music. In fact, it's fine with me if people want to do this with their time and money. I admit being somewhat concerned when I realize that someone has the wrong idea about any relationship between cost and repeatable Music in the home, and I am perhaps too sensitive when I see fraud being perpetrated, even with audio products. Again, for me, it's mostly about the Music, and any level 1 Sound stuff I try is aimed at improving the experience of listening to Music in my home. I still cannot say level 1 does not matter when speakers are in DPoLs, perhaps because I have never perfectly achieved this elusive state of affairs. I also have a hard time accepting the premise when I think of an iPOD playing over tiny Bluetooth speakers, that sort of worst case scenerio.

Paul S
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
Posts 2,910
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Post #: 43
Post ID: 29857
Reply to: 29856
After Listening to Bruckner: Yeah; no...
Had a nice listen this morning to Bruckner 7, Matacic/CPO, via Big Rig. Not discounting DPoLS, but no way iPOD and Bluetooth minis in DPoLS will ever offer Level 1 Sound that is very much part of the Music here; at least it is for me. I am thinking (again) that DPoLS can greatly enhance a given topology, but topology still matters for Music appreciation, or there are times when it matters to listeners it matters to.

Paul S
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N-set
Warsaw, Poland
Posts 659
Joined on 01-07-2006

Post #: 44
Post ID: 29858
Reply to: 29839
Just ordered
Thanks for the recommendation. I look at the speaker placement as a salvation for the small, weird shaped, compromised listening space I have. In the meantime, I had another session with the Sumiko method, or actually parts of it that I can do. It's like going through circles of hell: first the moves seem to produce changes, but going back to the initial position then invalidates them largely, and on and on again. I think I know the reason but cannot do anything about it. 


Cheers,
Jarek
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Amir
Iran Tehran
Posts 393
Joined on 02-11-2009

Post #: 45
Post ID: 29859
Reply to: 29858
Thanks Jarek
 N-set wrote:
Thanks for the recommendation. I look at the speaker placement as a salvation for the small, weird shaped, compromised listening space I have. In the meantime, I had another session with the Sumiko method, or actually parts of it that I can do. It's like going through circles of hell: first the moves seem to produce changes, but going back to the initial position then invalidates them largely, and on and on again. I think I know the reason but cannot do anything about it. 

Thank you Jarek, You are welcome.
I hope all audiophiles around the world read Goodsoundclub and understand how important is DPOLS. 
I posted about Romy articles in whatsbestforum many times and tried to invite audiophiles to read goodsoundclub because audio practice without proper ideas  is waste of time/effort/money.
I hope one day Romy decides to write a book about high end audio and transfer all of goodsoundclub information to the book. 
I am sure Romy’s Book will be the best reference for audio lovers.


www.amiraudio.com, www.hifi.ir
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  »  New  The most promising “best” commercial speaker..  Upward Mobility...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     241  2418310  12-06-2006
  »  New  Macondo Frame modification...  Parquet...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     46  583825  12-22-2006
  »  New  About speakers Imbedded Macro-Positioning...  Big room AEZ...  Playback Listening  Forum     15  235723  05-16-2007
  »  New  Macondo's Axioms: Horn-loaded acoustic systems..  A link to another thread....  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     120  961004  07-29-2007
  »  New  ... again on GOTO Unit drivers.....  GOTO installation in Lithuania....  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     108  1436885  08-16-2008
  »  New  A sort of DPOLs..  My experience with the DEQ...  Melquiades Amplifier  Forum     8  118150  01-16-2009
  »  New  Off-the-wall playback or the 'hamster solution'...  Spacial information...  Audio Discussions  Forum     6  74159  02-26-2009
  »  New  A book about Loudspeakers and Rooms?..  Book review...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     5  67870  08-18-2009
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