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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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How Well Shall a CD Transport "Track" a CD?
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A while back (I thought) I was having trouble with my Accustic Arts Drive 1 CD transport. It was skipping and messing up on CDs I wanted to hear. Since I normally listen to LPs, it took me a while to dedicate the time and pay attention to exactly how the transport was messing up. It turned out that some CDs worked OK, and some did not.  Then I remembered that the CDs that were not working now on the AA transport had all been dragged by me out to the car and used there in the car CD player. When I carefully cleaned the problem CDs, most of the problems with the AA transport went away, but some of the messed-up CDs still would not play well on the AA transport. They all played "fine" in the car.  Now my question is, why will the "crappy" car CD player "track" dirty CDs "better" than the Accustic Arts Drive 1?

Add this to the pile of the Mysteries of Hi-Fi.

Paul S
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ArmAlex
Iran
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Error correcting
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The crappy one reads because it's error correcting mechanism is crappy also!
Armen
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ArmAlex
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Error correction
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Crappy Cd player plays dirty CDs because it's error correction mechanism is crappy also
Armen
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rowuk


Germany
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Reflectivity is a real issue
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Some drives do not get along with certain reflective surfaces. I had a Philips that played just about everything. Then I bought a Yamaha and all of the "gold" colored CDs would not play. I think that your dirt issue is not the real problem. If the CD was made on a writer instead of from a stamp, it could be the brand of the blank.
 Paul S wrote:
A while back (I thought) I was having trouble with my Accustic Arts Drive 1 CD transport. It was skipping and messing up on CDs I wanted to hear. Since I normally listen to LPs, it took me a while to dedicate the time and pay attention to exactly how the transport was messing up. It turned out that some CDs worked OK, and some did not.  Then I remembered that the CDs that were not working now on the AA transport had all been dragged by me out to the car and used there in the car CD player. When I carefully cleaned the problem CDs, most of the problems with the AA transport went away, but some of the messed-up CDs still would not play well on the AA transport. They all played "fine" in the car.  Now my question is, why will the "crappy" car CD player "track" dirty CDs "better" than the Accustic Arts Drive 1?

Add this to the pile of the Mysteries of Hi-Fi.

Paul S



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Paul S
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Color? Brands?
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Hmmm...  The AA uses Philips Pro 2 mechanical guts. Most of the discs that would not play played fine after I cleaned them. Various cheapo CDs my brother burned for me over many years played fine, and one RVG (Rudy van Gelder) jazz CD would not play at all after cleaning (and I think it played OK before I cleaned it!).  I played silver and gold, and maybe a couple of other colors; I'll have to check that more systematically.  That car is pretty old, so who knows what other grief it inflicted on any CDs it played.  Still, it continues to play the damn discs! At least I think so. Remember, I still haven't bothered to set this up rigorously, with controls...

Paul S
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xandcg


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Plextor PX-891SAF.
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I always had very luck with Plextor CD/DVD drives (sound-wise) but they had disappeared of the PC market, but seem to come back now:

http://www.goplextor.com/Product/Detail/PX-891SAF#/Features

I would buy one now but I need to import it and there are a big mess going on my country customs services now, and it would take a while to normalize.

Cheers!


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Paul S
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Tracking Problems? Here's a Fix!
Finally took on my mis-tracking CD transport, an Accustic Arts Drive 1 (Philips CD Pro 2 drive unit). I had looked online and I had the feeling my problem, at its root, might be caked grease on the optical reader rails, as I have had the thing for some time and not used it a lot. Be warned that this job takes steady hands and a clear head, which I pretty much lacked for years, but, if to judge by results, my nerves have gotten good enough again to give it a go. I took apart the box and pulled out the entire Philips CD Pro 2 unit, then I took the unit apart enough to get to the optical reader rails, which were, indeed, gunky. You might use DuPont Krytox 204 grease, but I used G96 gun oil, which I used to clean the rails as best I could without taking the optical reader off the rails. And that did the trick! Going back to early symptoms, when some discs played but other would not, I theorize that the CD Pro can probably read all the discs if it can travel freely on its rails. FYI, I probably should make another post to trumpet Dawn Power Wash for cleaning CDs, as it works great. In fact, I plan to try it on dirty LPs, too.

Back to the Philips CD Pro mechanism, I kept thinking, these things have been used for juke boxes and at radio stations for many years now, so I was slow to act on the notion that the optical reader itself had crapped out. And I am glad I tried the fix I did.

Paul S
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Paul S
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Saving an Old 16/44 CD Transport

How long is a CD transport supposed to last? Mine is something like 20 years old, still going strong, although I recently dealt with a second (albeit mild) bout of mistracking. This time I knew going in that the problem was not old sticky grease on the reader rails, since I just fixed that (2 1/2 years ago...). I did some reading and was mildly surprised to find out that many manufacturers lubricate plastic-on-plastic and plastic-on-metal moving parts in motors and gear trains, etc. I also read that Philips had originally lubed all the CD Pro 2 gears and slipping components during assembly, including metal-on-plastic and plastic-on-plastic moving parts. After some time spent researching I decided to get a small pot (~ 2 oz.) of silly-expensive, specialty ”grease” for this purpose, specifically Dow Corning M-kote EM-30L, NLGI #1.  I took the entire laser mechanism out of the transport again, and this time I entirely detached the thick green PCB from the drive unit, so I could get a good look at and access the relevant moving parts. Note: I strongly recommend watching the relevant Enco video a couple of times before diving in. In particular, take very seriously the cautions about the two circuit connector tapes that go between active optical reader parts and the PCB. Be very, very careful not to break, pinch, fold, cut, kink or mis-align these tapes, and be very sure you well understand how the little tape/PCB connectors work (and how they don’t work) before you try to disconnect the tapes. I messed up and damaged tiny plastic ribbon connector parts while trying to disconnect the ribbons, and after I did the lube job I wound up closing and re-opening the transport twice more before I got the tapes properly re-connected, so the transport could work again. Back to the grease job, I looked carefully but saw no signs that anything in the unit had been greased before I did it, apart from the old, sticky grease I had already removed from the sled rails during my first skipping reader fix (qv). Still, I used parts cleaner on everything I thought I wanted to grease, and I loosened the little clip that holds the sled motor in place so I could (gently…) pry up the motor/pinion gear, in order to be able to move the sled on its rails without forcing anything. Then I used an artist’s brush to very sparingly apply grease to gears, rails, all interactive clips, retainers and sliding parts. This grease is super slippery, and it is remarkably light. It was easy to brush on a very thin film of lubricant exactly where I wanted without any extra grease clumping anywhere or otherwise sticking around. After all this work, I was annoyed and discouraged that the drive was dead after I got it back together. I figured the problem was a crooked tape connection, so I took it all apart again and re-connected the connector tapes, then I put it all back together again. Still dead. My third time around I was yet more careful, and I figured out a couple of controls to keep the ribbon traces lined up with the clip/connector traces while I re-closed the clips. Once again I put it all back together, and after tweaking the black shroud under and around the drive spindle, making sure it is well clear of a CD, this old transport works fine and it sounds great again, no trace of mistracking or any sort of transport problem, still using original parts. I actually like my old 16/44 transport, have not heard a "new and improved" unit I like as well, let alone better.>>

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