| Search | Login/Register
   Home » Audio Discussions » It’s mad, mad, mad... electricity. (* posts, 25 pages)
  Print Thread | 1st Post |  
Page 53 of 96 (1,911 items) Select Pages:  « First ... « 51 52 53 54 55 » ... Last »
   Target    Threads for related reading   Most recent post in related threads   Forum  Replies   Views   Started 
  »  New  What lives in Symmetric Sound?..  The beginning of our journey is ALWAYS symmetrical...  Audio Discussions  Forum     19  168198  05-28-2004
  »  New  Always check power-line polarity...  The Cost of Knowing...  Audio For Dummies ™  Forum     11  106548  07-10-2005
  »  New  RAAL “Water Drop” tweeter for Macondo...  Your comment takes me by surprise...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     77  897314  02-16-2007
  »  New  My feelings about new exciting audio products..  Vacuumstate...  Audio Discussions  Forum     25  256421  04-30-2007
  »  New  Musique Concrete horns..  These are now sold as Kornhent products...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     6  104876  06-12-2007
  »  New  Compression drivers and the “clean signal”...  The NEW “Compression drivers and the clean signal”....  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     14  157894  07-12-2007
  »  New  Digi Redux; Drive 1 transport and iDAT-44+ DAC..  Confirmation and Relief...  Didital Things  Forum     26  219647  09-28-2007
  »  New  Metal domes..  Try the one Lansche is using...  Audio Discussions  Forum     6  76207  11-08-2007
  »  New  The power AC Outlets?..  Where to Pick Up the Gong?...  Audio Discussions  Forum     2  41799  10-31-2008
  »  New  The Avicenna's failure is the great Avicenna success!..  New life for Avicenna...  Audio Discussions  Forum     8  80989  02-03-2009
  »  New  Internet and electricity..  Suboptimal. . ....  Didital Things  Forum     1  28200  01-07-2010
  »  New  Electricity... power strips and ac improvements..  Electricity... power strips and ac improvements...  Audio Discussions  Forum     0  16089  03-30-2010
  »  New  Another example of energy..  System Warm up...  Audio Discussions  Forum     1910  9466316  01-29-2011
  »  New  I good spot-light for a turntable?..  Reply...  Analog Playback Forum     15  149525  10-24-2010
03-29-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
steverino
Posts 353
Joined on 05-22-2009

Post #: 1041
Post ID: 18022
Reply to: 18021
Nomenclature
fiogf49gjkf0d
Just a suggestion. "Greenish pussy" sounds like a disease. You might try something like "enviro bunny". 

You didn't specify where all the solar devices are being hooked up? Are they hooked up to a junction After the drop to your house or Before the drop to your house?

Also these kind of solar panel companies predate the current administration therefore I doubt they are totally dependent on political situations. Anyway you are in Mass. so I would assume the state would continue to support them. What you are describing though should work without subsidy as long as the power company has to buy your excess electricity. Many states have the same provisions to make power companies buy excess electricity.
05-07-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,052
Joined on 05-27-2004

Post #: 1042
Post ID: 18144
Reply to: 2931
Synergistic Research’s “filtering” platform.
fiogf49gjkf0d

I do not know what they do and the story is a bit murky but still it would be interesting to learn what they are dealing with as it might be very much related to the problem I am familiar with.

http://www.synergisticresearch.com/featured/new-tranquility-base/

if the concept and the solution that the Synergistic Research uses works then it not suppose to be a “platform” for an indivisible devise but rather a global solution for while installation.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
05-09-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,052
Joined on 05-27-2004

Post #: 1043
Post ID: 18148
Reply to: 2931
Liquid filled fuse.
fiogf49gjkf0d

John Hoffman published an article in positive-feedback about the Liquid filled fuse:

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue61/audiomagic_nano.htm

… from audio-magic company.

http://www.audio-magic.com/Prod-NanoFuse.html

The whole story a bit controversial of cause but since my old POD cable I’m kind of a bit sucker for using liquid with electric conductors…

I did look at the audio-magic site. The make some power conditioning devises but I am a bit confused by their overly-liberated use of the word liquid. I was expected to see some kind of new power treating devise submerged in liquid but instead they use “Liquid Air” whatever it means. Would it be the same as manufacture who use “nickel-core transformers” made from iron? Anyhow, I juts would like to pay attention to the company.

There is one more thing that I would like to pay attention.  The company and the users claim improvement while using the fuse after 60 hours of break-in. That is good but I have a question to ask: how methodologically, theoretically or even hypothetically they were able to lock the normal change in greed electricity that took place over 60 hours if they do not use any means of power quality stabilization?

Rgs,
Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
05-14-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,052
Joined on 05-27-2004

Post #: 1044
Post ID: 18178
Reply to: 18144
Synergistic Research Powercells
fiogf49gjkf0d

Synergistic Research looks like has a product that deal with electricity:

http://www.synergisticresearch.com/category/tesla-power-products/

http://www.synergisticresearch.com/tesla-power-products/the-powercell-story/

http://www.synergisticresearch.com/featured/galileo-series/

To grant to the product Tesla name is a bit… stupid but I guess this is how the industry feel.

I read the description of the theory and the way how they plug the Big Bang and the String Theory into the game. Sounds incredibly brainless, the explanation sounds brainless, not the way how the Powercell units sound themselves. I have no idea how the Powercell units sound and the reason I post it is to ask if anyone dealt with them.

Whatever subatomic, String of voodoo concept they use it for sure does not deal with fix the waveform clipping, this is what PP does but I wonder if it might be beneficial to try these  Powercell AFTER PurePower and to see if Synergistic Research “quantum intelligence” will be able to handle, or perhaps even to capitalize, the sound that PP does. My former experience with people who claim any dealing with quantum was very non-satisfactory but I did not deal with Synergistic Research’s power devises.

Rgs,
Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
06-01-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
ricksmet
Honolulu, HI
Posts 2
Joined on 05-09-2012

Post #: 1045
Post ID: 18233
Reply to: 18178
PurePower+
fiogf49gjkf0d
PurePower, http://www.purepoweraps.com/, just updated their site and have some interesting videos on the new PurePower+ products.

Rick
06-02-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,052
Joined on 05-27-2004

Post #: 1046
Post ID: 18235
Reply to: 18233
The time will show.
fiogf49gjkf0d
 ricksmet wrote:
PurePower, www.purepoweraps.com, just updated their site and have some interesting videos on the new PurePower+ products.
Yes, thanks, ricksmet, it does sound “updated”.

I am not sure that the better box shall have as much attention as it was. The old “deep” was uncomfortable but it was fine if you flip the box over, or use it on side. From the picture is looks like that they have some charger or at least some part of it in the battery chassis. That is very good but I do not know if it is the whole AC/AC down-converter and charger or only the last filtering part. It looks like the parts too small to be the full converter and rectifier but who know…

For sure the true question is how it sounds. So far I did not see any comments about it neither from PP not from users. Also, it is very interesting how the new PP+ will maintain own operation and performance status while the quality of the incoming electricity change.
I think that in couple months the feedback will come through, as it go we just need to distinct the typical sophomoric excitement that many audio people have after they got a new audio toy from reasonable feedback. I would be particularly interested to hear a feedback from the people who use PP3000 and who upgraded it to PP+…


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
07-13-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
manisandher
London
Posts 158
Joined on 09-05-2008

Post #: 1047
Post ID: 18385
Reply to: 18235
A year wasted
fiogf49gjkf0d
About this time last year I decided to stop using my PP2000. It has been sitting in my basement gathering dust all this time. I even put it up for sale last year but only received stupid offers for it, so decided to keep it.

I've been having problems with some humming transformers in a pair of gainclone amps I bought for my study/office system. The manufacturer sent me some new transformers to try and a couple of days ago I was all ready to get them soldered into place. But I hate soldering, and to delay the almost inevitable I thought I'd try the amps with the PP2000 and see if I could eliminate the humming with its anti-humming pot. Well, it worked. But what I really wasn't expecting was the sound to become far more 'musical'. It just started 'making sense' more. Music that had previously annoyed me now started sounding intriguing. I took the PP2000 out and the 'musicality' disappeared. But it back and it returned. I listened to music well into the night - something I've never done in my study/office before. Yesterday, I placed the PP2000 in my main system. Although the difference wasn't as marked as in my study/office system, it same effect was there for sure. Without it, the sound is a bit dull and boring. With it, there is some 'life' injected into the music - far more interesting.

So why do I now prefer the sound with the PP2000 as opposed to last year when I stopped using it? I think it's because last year I never plugged all the components into it. Playing around with various configurations these last couple of day, what I've learned is that everything has to be plugged into the PP... even the PC. Otherwise the sound is too bright, forward and edgy, my main criticisms. Last year this was easily fixed by running from battery, but now with all the components running off the PP, the PP sounds very similar running from AC or from battery.

 Romy the Cat wrote:
I would be particularly interested to hear a feedback from the people who use PP3000 and who upgraded it to PP+…


I've just ordered a PP+3000 for my main system - the PP2000 will feed my study/office system. I'll report my thoughts on the difference between the two when the new one arrives in a few weeks' time.

Mani.
07-13-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,052
Joined on 05-27-2004

Post #: 1048
Post ID: 18386
Reply to: 18385
PurePower vs. PurePower+
fiogf49gjkf0d

 manisandher wrote:
So why do I now prefer the sound with the PP2000 as opposed to last year when I stopped using it? I think it's because last year I never plugged all the components into it. Playing around with various configurations these last couple of day, what I've learned is that everything has to be plugged into the PP... even the PC. Otherwise the sound is too bright, forward and edgy, my main criticisms. Last year this was easily fixed by running from battery, but now with all the components running off the PP, the PP sounds very similar running from AC or from battery.

I've just ordered a PP+3000 for my main system - the PP2000 will feed my study/office system. I'll report my thoughts on the difference between the two when the new one arrives in a few weeks' time.

Mani, it is hard to say why your results last year were unsatisfactory. I do not believe that people with properly operating PP would not acknowledge the difference and I do not believe that any sane person who even once heard playback running from PP would image do not use PP. The unsatisfactory that you had I attributed to the presumption that you unit was broken. Whatever it was you unit was 220V and I do not know if the 220V unit are the same as 120V units. They shall not be but I do not trust to anything that I did not hear personally. It is hard to me to say why you suddenly fallen in love with PP. You claim that it was “everything plugged” syndrome but I was writing about it years back and I thought that it was what you were doing. Even if you did not then in my view the superbly positive contribution of PP was still very observable… Anyhow….

It is interesting that you went for PP+3000. I very much consider doing the same but I would like the PP+ to age a bit. As I understand PurePower made kind of new regenerator and I would like them to filter out the bugs that they might have in this first version. I do not say that they have any bags but it is what uselessly happens. Were you able to upgrade your PP2000 to PP3000+ or you just got another unit? If you have both of them then it would be very interesting to hear your comments about Sound of PP vs. PP+.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
07-13-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
manisandher
London
Posts 158
Joined on 09-05-2008

Post #: 1049
Post ID: 18387
Reply to: 18386
Ground loops?
fiogf49gjkf0d
 Romy the Cat wrote:
You claim that it was “everything plugged” syndrome but I was writing about it years back and I thought that it was what you were doing. Even if you did not then in my view the superbly positive contribution of PP was still very observable…
Well I can pretty much replicate the sound I was getting last year - simply have the DAC and power amps plugged into the PP and the PC plugged into the wall socket.  The sound becomes brighter, thinner and more edgy. This is eliminated immediately by switching to battery and taking the power cord out of the PP. This effect is consistent and repeatable - I tried many, many times to be sure. I suspect that some sort of ground loop is introduced via the USB cable linking the PC to the DAC when the PC is connected to the wall socket, but who knows.

 Romy the Cat wrote:
Were you able to upgrade your PP2000 to PP3000+ or you just got another unit? If you have both of them then it would be very interesting to hear your comments about Sound of PP vs. PP+.
I will have both a PP+3000 (for my main system) and a PP2000 (for my study/office system). Yes, I'll certainly compare the two a report back.

Mani.
07-13-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,052
Joined on 05-27-2004

Post #: 1050
Post ID: 18388
Reply to: 18387
From beginning?
fiogf49gjkf0d
 manisandher wrote:
Well I can pretty much replicate the sound I was getting last year - simply have the DAC and power amps plugged into the PP and the PC plugged into the wall socket.  The sound becomes brighter, thinner and more edgy. This is eliminated immediately by switching to battery and taking the power cord out of the PP. This effect is consistent and repeatable - I tried many, many times to be sure. I suspect that some sort of ground loop is introduced via the USB cable linking the PC to the DAC when the PC is connected to the wall socket, but who knows.
 
The fact of connecting everything to PP is valid but what you describe ALSO an indication (at least to me) that your system is not organized properly from perspective of grounding. If I do not plug everything to PP and live a few elements outside of PP then I will have “some” worsening of sound but it will not be nearly as dramatic as you described. From what you describe I conclude that you have ground loops regardless of the PPs and the PP juts highlights the problem.
 
I run single-ended playback, it means no symmetric interconnect and negative lead of the interconnects is ground. All my power using playback (21 elements) has ONLY ONE connection to ground, from the chasses of my preamp. There is absolutely no explicit path from individual components to ground, only via interconnects to programs and then to ground in a single location. So, if I unplug any single element from PP and plug it to wall (via ground lifter only) then I will have “some” brighteners, thinner sound and more edgy result but it will be VERY minor… That what you had to do from very beginning and then you would not be “wasted a year”. 

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
07-13-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
manisandher
London
Posts 158
Joined on 09-05-2008

Post #: 1051
Post ID: 18391
Reply to: 18388
Daisy chaining balanced transformer -> PP2000
fiogf49gjkf0d
 Romy the Cat wrote:
From what you describe I conclude that you have ground loops regardless of the PPs and the PP juts highlights the problem.


This may well be the case. I can't even remember the exact components I was using last year (a lot has changed in my system since then) but I know what I have now: PC -> DAC (via async USB) -> amps (via balanced XLR). The respective designers of the DAC and amps assure me that the signal ground is not connected to the protective earth - only the chassis of the component is. But maybe the USB ground is connected to the PE inside the PC. I don't know. But I do know that what I'm hearing is repeatable.

Incidentally, I've just tried powering the system from a few different configurations: direct from the wall socket; from the PP2000 connected to wall socket; from the PP2000 connected to a dedicated ring (with 5KVA balanced transformer and grounding rod). My order of preference is:

1) PP2000 connected to dedicated ring (with 5KVA balanced transformer and grounding rod). Very textured sound. Harmonically rich. No hint of sibilance. Very, very similar to PP2000 running from battery.

2) PP2000 connected to wall socket. No sibilance. A bit dull and flat.

3) Direct from wall socket. Easily the brightest and shiniest. Very dynamic. An immediacy that is initially appealing but that becomes a bit fatiguing with time. A bit of sibilance coming through.

I suspect the balanced transformer and grounding rod are helping to clean up the grunge that the PP2000 is inevitably putting back into the mains.

Mani.
07-24-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,052
Joined on 05-27-2004

Post #: 1052
Post ID: 18444
Reply to: 2931
John Atwood’s saga about electricity.
fiogf49gjkf0d
http://www.clarisonus.com/blog/?p=424#more-424


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
07-25-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
Posts 2,577
Joined on 10-12-2006

Post #: 1053
Post ID: 18445
Reply to: 18444
Sometimes I Feel Like a Dither-less Child
fiogf49gjkf0d
This type of "re-constructor" appeals to the side of me that still wants the "perfect sine wave", which most of the "manufacturers" still insist is [the key to] their units' "success".  That the unit in question does it with a "conventional" A/B amp should mean less toxic blow-back than switching systems, given that the sine wave generator is also (somehow) some sort of innocuous "analog" counter.  HOWEVER, I cannot dismiss my strong suspicions that the actual "success" of the PP units depends at least as much on "smoothing effects", perhaps from the very toxic switching that the subject unit ostensibly "does without".

It is "interesting" that the subject unit and its ilk's A/B amps do not function like the older (HEAVY) PS units.  The former (subject) use their A/B amps only to "correct" the line AC, whereas the latter (older PS) have been notoriously current limited in practice because they actually use their A/B amps to generate the "fresh AC".

Meanwhile, my own ante has been upped considerably, now that I'm using 3 amps said to be "capable" of 150A drive each (AC willing and ready...).  Nice load for the typical "regenerator"...

Paul S
07-30-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,052
Joined on 05-27-2004

Post #: 1054
Post ID: 18466
Reply to: 2931
A Bow to a Purer Power?
fiogf49gjkf0d

Ironic name of the review but it is what it is. Frank Alles posted a review about PS Audio P3 unit. It is not very informative but generally more or less sensible.

http://www.stereotimes.com/acc072312.shtml

I did not hear the new generation of PS Audio regenerator and I can’t relate to Frank findings.

Rgs, The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
07-30-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
rowuk


Germany
Posts 440
Joined on 07-05-2012

Post #: 1055
Post ID: 18467
Reply to: 18466
Isn't this NUTS?
fiogf49gjkf0d
I mean we can take real live analog music, convert it 100% to digital and get incredible playback if we pay attention to details but we can't take an ANALog 60/50Hz AC signal and clean it up enough for MEGA expensive equipment.
Electricity IS a problem, I just can't see why we have to jump through so many hoops to straighten that out. Why should the CONSUMER have to mess with this?
With what manufacturers charge for decent equipment these days, power regeneration built into the power supply AND optimized for the unit should be part of the package! How many of us use batteries on everything except for the power amps and turntables?


Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.
08-14-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,052
Joined on 05-27-2004

Post #: 1056
Post ID: 18522
Reply to: 18386
So, how the PP2000+ is doing out there?
fiogf49gjkf0d
It looks like PurePower is selling big their new Canadian-made unit. I wonder if any rumors about the performance of new units compare to the older units. I did not spend any time to look online but I wonder if anybody manages to get it and might report the results.  


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
08-15-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
manisandher
London
Posts 158
Joined on 09-05-2008

Post #: 1057
Post ID: 18525
Reply to: 18522
Nearly
fiogf49gjkf0d
I should receive my PP+3000 in 10 days or so (should be shipping from Canada to the UK tomorrow). Will report findings...

Mani.
09-04-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
ricksmet
Honolulu, HI
Posts 2
Joined on 05-09-2012

Post #: 1058
Post ID: 18571
Reply to: 18522
Updated Manuals
fiogf49gjkf0d
For those interested, Purepower, http://www.purepoweraps.com/  just added the new documentation for the Purepower+ series of regenerators.

Rick
09-04-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 10,052
Joined on 05-27-2004

Post #: 1059
Post ID: 18572
Reply to: 18571
Interesting
fiogf49gjkf0d
http://www.purepoweraps.com/pdf/PurePower+%202000%203000%20120V%20Users%20Guide%20-%20August%202012.pdf

It looks like the new PP unit can output configurable 115V, 120V, 127V or 130V. That is very nice as it allow to bulk setting the pate currents in none-regulated DSETS. It also has frequency converter – kind if worthless thing is you can’t double frequency. The bypass mode is a phenomenal feature but it looks like the display does not reflect the bypass mode, of they use a wrong image in the manual.  The 4 stage load- meter and battery-meter is too not-precise in my view. The former was with1% precession and it would be fine if it show some kind of accurate value. To have 25% precision with the same questionably accuracy makes the load- meter and battery-meter kind of irrelevant.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
09-04-2012 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
Posts 2,577
Joined on 10-12-2006

Post #: 1060
Post ID: 18580
Reply to: 18572
New, Improved, 1/2 the Weight
fiogf49gjkf0d
Smaller transformers? Higher switching frequencies?

Mani, you have seemed just a little above lukewarm about your old unit.  Will you be able to compare the new unit to the old one, or are you bailing out of the old one?  If the latter, why?

Paul S
Page 53 of 96 (1,911 items) Select Pages:  « First ... « 51 52 53 54 55 » ... Last »
   Target    Threads for related reading   Most recent post in related threads   Forum  Replies   Views   Started 
  »  New  What lives in Symmetric Sound?..  The beginning of our journey is ALWAYS symmetrical...  Audio Discussions  Forum     19  168198  05-28-2004
  »  New  Always check power-line polarity...  The Cost of Knowing...  Audio For Dummies ™  Forum     11  106548  07-10-2005
  »  New  RAAL “Water Drop” tweeter for Macondo...  Your comment takes me by surprise...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     77  897314  02-16-2007
  »  New  My feelings about new exciting audio products..  Vacuumstate...  Audio Discussions  Forum     25  256421  04-30-2007
  »  New  Musique Concrete horns..  These are now sold as Kornhent products...  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     6  104876  06-12-2007
  »  New  Compression drivers and the “clean signal”...  The NEW “Compression drivers and the clean signal”....  Horn-Loaded Speakers Forum     14  157894  07-12-2007
  »  New  Digi Redux; Drive 1 transport and iDAT-44+ DAC..  Confirmation and Relief...  Didital Things  Forum     26  219647  09-28-2007
  »  New  Metal domes..  Try the one Lansche is using...  Audio Discussions  Forum     6  76207  11-08-2007
  »  New  The power AC Outlets?..  Where to Pick Up the Gong?...  Audio Discussions  Forum     2  41799  10-31-2008
  »  New  The Avicenna's failure is the great Avicenna success!..  New life for Avicenna...  Audio Discussions  Forum     8  80989  02-03-2009
  »  New  Internet and electricity..  Suboptimal. . ....  Didital Things  Forum     1  28200  01-07-2010
  »  New  Electricity... power strips and ac improvements..  Electricity... power strips and ac improvements...  Audio Discussions  Forum     0  16089  03-30-2010
  »  New  Another example of energy..  System Warm up...  Audio Discussions  Forum     1910  9466316  01-29-2011
  »  New  I good spot-light for a turntable?..  Reply...  Analog Playback Forum     15  149525  10-24-2010
Home Page  |  Last 24Hours  | Search  |  SiteMap  | Questions or Problems | Copyright Note
The content of all messages within the Forums Copyright © by authors of the posts