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N-set
Gdansk, Poland
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Post #: 41
Post ID: 18726
Reply to: 18724
Micro polar plot
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 Romy the Cat wrote:


This made me to pay a lot of respect to the subject of motors in TT as I concluded (looking at the straggling of my guy) that good TT motors are super rare thing.

The Cat


Amen. I'm still puzzled by the strange polar plot of your Micro (maybe you remember--a pinkfishmedia project aimed at advanced
analysis of motor speed instability). Perhaps would be worth to retake the signal with some known test LP.



Cheers,
Jarek
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Romy the Cat


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Post #: 42
Post ID: 18727
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About the pinkfishmedia analysis
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 N-set wrote:
I'm still puzzled by the strange polar plot of your Micro (maybe you remember--a pinkfishmedia project aimed at advanced analysis of motor speed instability). Perhaps would be worth to retake the signal with some known test LP.
 Actualy I did not take the pinkfishmedia analysis too serious. I have absolutely no idea how to interpret the results of the analysis. The reality is that neither I nor the pinkfishmedia guy knows what in TT responsible for it Sound. The solution they use to measure speed instability is very elegant and I do not question it but I do question what it all means. We can measure very objectively harmonic distortion of amp for instance but we know that lower number of distortion is not necessary an assurance of better sound.  The problem, as I see it, that to make the pinkfishmedia analysis better it would take to perfect the analysis itself but not to perfect a turntable.  I would like to see actions over TT that would improve the pinkfishmedia analysis and parallel to it would improve auditable Sound.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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N-set
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Post #: 43
Post ID: 18728
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Polar plots programme
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 Romy the Cat wrote:
Actualy I did not take the pinkfishmedia analysis too serious. I have absolutely no idea how to interpret the results of the analysis.


No one really knows at this stage (the tool is very new), apart from the obvious fact that 16 or 17 times per revolution there happens some strange notch. The instability is very peculiar and perhaps is a test LP artefact. Would be nice to redo the plot with some known test LP (Ultimate Analog has been much studied at pinkfishmedia and I recon is well known to Paul). Any chance for that Smile? Do you also know how many motor shaft rotations it takes
for one full platter rotation?

 Romy the Cat wrote:
The reality is that neither I nor the pinkfishmedia guy knows what in TT responsible for it Sound. The solution they use to measure speed instability is very elegant and I do not question it but I do question what it all means. We can measure very objectively harmonic distortion of amp for instance but we know that lower number of distortion is not necessary an assurance of better sound.  The problem, as I see it, that to make the pinkfishmedia analysis better it would take to perfect the analysis itself but not to perfect a turntable.  I would like to see actions over TT that would improve the pinkfishmedia analysis and parallel to it would improve auditable Sound.


This very programme: correlation between the speed instability portraits and the Sound is something I very much hope would eventually be happening!
As a very primitive example, with no pretensions to be anything serious, I tried my deck with two different idlers and Paul kindly provided the plots.
The idler with lower fundamental beat but higher harmonics sounded less stable than the one with higher fundamental but almost no high order harmonics.
Hard to say which plot as "better", I think there is way too little data and correlations to give meaning to this word.

But patience, the harmonic spectrogramms have been around for decades, this tool has only a few years. I hope that this "distributed computing" with multiple people trying to correlate what they hear to the polars will eventually start bringing up some picture of the subject.



Cheers,
Jarek
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tokyo john
Narashino, Japan
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Post #: 44
Post ID: 18729
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Share the fantasy
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As I grow old and nurse a fragile back, I too have a fantasy of a good sounding, lightweight TT (and amp, speakers for the matter).
Every lightweight TT on the market makes me interested for this reason (Rega Planar 9, Well Tempered, Roksan, Amazon, Wilson Benesch); my main problem with these is they tend to come with (and designed for) the lightweight tonearms.
When I was a teenager my lightweight Pink Triangle sounded great and I wonder how it would sound to me now (maybe it was the Garrot Decca catridge; those deccas can be so exciting if set up right). And to me, there was something so cool about the Pink's lightweight honeycomb suspended suspension that (if it worked according to theory) was so elegant compared to the brute force solutions of TTs like Micro Seiki.

(Share the Fantasy is also the title of the Chanel No. 5 perfume commercials that I loved as a teenager)
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post #: 45
Post ID: 18730
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"Weight"
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While there is really no substitute for mass in a TT, the Well Tempered does some interesting tricks that help it to sound like a happy melding of a light and a "heavy" TT.   I have used a modified WT Reference arm for several years now, and it will accomodate a wide range of cartridges, despite its low weight, as measured on a scale.  Although I am leary of trickery, in and of itself, I try to remain open where audible results are concerned.  I have observed, however, via photos and seeing others' installations, that others do not understand how the arm "works", or their set-ups certainly make this appear to be the case.  Nothing out of the ordinary here, of course, rather, typical of our breed.  I happen to be a heavy TT guy; but the truth is, a well-employed "lighter" 'table would likely out-perform an average "heavy" TT installation.

Best regards,
Paul S
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RonyWeissman
Lyon, France
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Post #: 46
Post ID: 18731
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Share the fantasy 2
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I have two TT fantasy, although we are getting off topic:
1-why can't the record sit still and the cartridge runs around instead ? The cartridge can align itself for each groove, too complicated?
The 2nd fantasy I keep for me as It is too silly.

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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 47
Post ID: 18733
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Rauliruegas about Micros
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Look at more posts the A’gon there posted a bout and Rauliruegas passed his observations about Micro Seiki turntables.

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1350008574&openflup&106&4#106

He might be right. I disagree with some of his findings. For instance I do not think that a tonearm needs to be decoupled and damped from TT. However, his observations, very much as well as my objections based upon purely theoretical observation regarding his and my understanding of “design” TT. Neither Rauliruegas nor I make observations in context of the actual sound and how our theories impact sound. Yes, having zillion turntables and arms as well as an interest to the subject Rauliruegas very much in position to make those observations but I have my reasons to doubt that those observations are factual. Rauliruegas looks like does not sell anything to anybody and has no business addenda (contrary to the majority whores at that site) and this does give to him some credibility. However, unit he talk about his reference points, his evaluation techniques and the actual sounds (instead of design ideas) I will keep my skepticism to his findings.

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Stitch


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Post #: 48
Post ID: 18734
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Micros or the modern units
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In a way you can write some positive / negative about nearly every Design out there. The Micro 5000 & 8000 are 20 years old, they have 2 weak features
- a Platter which rings

- no suspension

BUT, when we look at their latest units, we can see that Micro discovered these Problems in their last years. They offered a Vacuum Base (comparable to a modern Vibraplane) and a steel platter. Maybe they would choose something different today, who knows, but anyway, when done some simple "mods" these Seikis can show a Performance where the Listener asks himself, "what happened in the last 20 years please ???" ...

Turntable Design has a lot to do with energy transfer, there are various solutions, some work, some not, most are more or less useless because of other Design problems. These Seikis are from stock quality outstanding (tolerances, metalwork...) they have chosen an energy transfer which works very well, when a VP or similar is used. The ringing platter is also no problem, all you need is a vinyl mat taped onto and it is done. The motor is adjustable, very reliable and when it isn't modified from a DIY guy, it will work the next years like it did before. And they got very soon the knowledge that platter weight has a huge impact to sound quality...also the knowledge that belt quality has listenable results (good or bad) even with such high mass units, so they offered thread drive pretty early or very interesting belts (technically)...

Probably this is the reason why these Seiki models raised their prices, some Audiophiles don't trust modern units anymore (they had some and sold them), some go for modified 5000 or 8000, some go for old direct Drives .... each his own.

It is not easy for the normal Reader to find out what is really good, we know, even crap gets great recommendations. In a way the only solution is to travel to owners from whatever tables and to listen to their units. Sooner or later you will learn why some designs sound better than others, when you find out why this is the way it is, you are experienced, so it is step by step.

But real life also will show that you can ruin the best Performance with the rest of the chain, let's say in theory you listen to a super turntable but the Arm, Phonostage, Preamp, Amp is horrible, you can imagine what kind of result will be offered.

That's the reason why outstanding Systems generally guide automatically the way to the owners brain (his kind of understanding and the solution he made), spending endless money can work, but mostly it doesn't. In the last 10 years I heard about 5 Systems, where I said "unbelievable good", all 5 were different, some with Horns, one with Stats, some regular speakers, some with Tube amps, some with solid State, the only common from all those owners was - or is - they knew exactly what's on their records, their mastering...in a way, knowledge about music. None used Reissues, some had expensive carts, one had a modified Denon 103R, one old FR-cart, Ikeda cartridge...one a Graham Arm, a few these old FR-64s ... and so on.
But none of them had a - modern overpriced - crap Player, they had Seiki (so I saw them the first time, I didn't know them before), Verdier from France, Cotter or some self modified Mass-Tables....




Kind Regards
Stitch
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 49
Post ID: 18735
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Yes and no.
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 Stitch wrote:
… they have 2 weak features
- a Platter which rings
- no suspension

No arguments here BUT how the Platter Ringing and No Suspension impacts sound? I mean we can take a hummer, smack the platter and observe ringing. However, how THAT ringing propagate itself to Sound. I think we both agree that we do not know it as there is no imperial data about it. we can take another platter that presumably has no ringing and observe different type of sound. Nevertheless we not necessary know that this different type of sound would be the derivation of ringing but not the derivative of many other reasons. We do talk about ringing juts because we can observe it but it is not all what it is. The same is with suspension. We do agree that suspension or decompiling of TT from floor is important but who said that decompiling of platter from base is important?   In contrary I feel that decompiling of platter is double edge sword that address some problems and create others…
 Stitch wrote:
BUT, when we look at their latest units, we can see that Micro discovered these Problems in their last years. They offered a Vacuum Base (comparable to a modern Vibraplane) and a steel platter.

Well, it is not necessary true. The micro owner told me that they use bronze platter at the time what most of equipment was powers by SS amplification. As the tube amplification was getting back they felt that bronze platter is too colored for soft sounding tubes and they went for steel platters. I personally do not feel that it is so critical as the debate between bronze vs. steel platter is applicable only on their 5000 and 8000 units that use vacuum hold down, or the satiations when a record is sitting right on the platter. I do not think that it is so critical or even important if platter terminated buy hard-rubber mat.
 Stitch wrote:
It is not easy for the normal Reader to find out what is really good, we know, even crap gets great recommendations. In a way the only solution is to travel to owners from whatever tables and to listen to their units. Sooner or later you will learn why some designs sound better than others, when you find out why this is the way it is, you are experienced, so it is step by step.

Recommendations is complicated things and grossly misunderstood by “Normal Readers”.
 Stitch wrote:
But real life also will show that you can ruin the best Performance with the rest of the chain, let's say in theory you listen to a super turntable but the Arm, Phonostage, Preamp, Amp is horrible, you can imagine what kind of result will be offered.

Well, in my books a good TT is the one that is not a weakest element of the chain, the chain where user’s reference point are factored in….

The Cat 


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Paul S
San Diego, California, USA
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Post ID: 18736
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Shaping Theory to fit Design/Build/Store/Ship/Service Models
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Most today are familiar with the term, "Spin", which basically means telling it like one wants it to be.

Here is the fruit of one man's quest for the ultimate TT, after decades of effort, with a machinist facilitator:  http://www.merrillscillia.com/ms21.html

And here is a more recent effort by the same guy, working with a different facilitator:  http://www.realturntable.com

Hmmm...

Which design is "better"?  Why is it better?

Paul S

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Stitch


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Post #: 51
Post ID: 20250
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The Analog Manifest
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 Romy the Cat wrote:

Epigraph

"…just buy a used Micro Seiki and don’t worry about turntables anymore; built like a tank and sounds better than TTs costing over 30K USD.”
Mr. Ikeda, of Ikeda / Fidelity Research

The Main bitching
 
It amasses me how the preoccupation of the analogs people with their turntables has practically no relation to the actual sonic result that those turntables are capable off and practically entirely depends from the blown up intellectual things that have no or little  relation to actual sound of those turntables ...

Rgs.

Romy the Cat



That article was written 2006 and the first time when I read it, it was like a wake up call. That is (and will be forever) the Analog Manifest.
Never was written something better about modern Audiophilia. 
After all these years, I have to say "Thank you" for that.
And coming back to our modern times, The Seiki is back again in new, it is called Air Force One and it is a technical copy from Seiki 8000 II with only 2 minor changes (obviously after 20+ years, it has an active speed controller and 3 platters the buyer can choose - of course, the brainless blubber is alive again, it is depending what "sound" the buyer prefers -.....). Available for 85000 USD and now it is taken seriously.
That's the only language Analog Audiophiles understand :-)

Probably Albert Einstein was an early Audiophile, don't know, but to quote him: 
"Two Things Are Infinite: the Universe and Human Stupidity"





Kind Regards
Stitch
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steverino
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Post ID: 20252
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Connections?
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 Stitch wrote:
 Romy the Cat wrote:

Epigraph

"…just buy a used Micro Seiki and don’t worry about turntables anymore; built like a tank and sounds better than TTs costing over 30K USD.”
Mr. Ikeda, of Ikeda / Fidelity Research

The Main bitching
 
It amasses me how the preoccupation of the analogs people with their turntables has practically no relation to the actual sonic result that those turntables are capable off and practically entirely depends from the blown up intellectual things that have no or little  relation to actual sound of those turntables ...

Rgs.

Romy the Cat



That article was written 2006 and the first time when I read it, it was like a wake up call. That is (and will be forever) the Analog Manifest.
Never was written something better about modern Audiophilia. 
After all these years, I have to say "Thank you" for that.
And coming back to our modern times, The Seiki is back again in new, it is called Air Force One and it is a technical copy from Seiki 8000 II with only 2 minor changes (obviously after 20+ years, it has an active speed controller and 3 platters the buyer can choose - of course, the brainless blubber is alive again, it is depending what "sound" the buyer prefers -.....). Available for 85000 USD and now it is taken seriously.
That's the only language Analog Audiophiles understand :-)

Probably Albert Einstein was an early Audiophile, don't know, but to quote him: 
"Two Things Are Infinite: the Universe and Human Stupidity"


There was a program many years ago on PBS I think which showed all the strange connections between apparently totally unrelated people and scientific ideas. I forget the narrator's name but I can sort of picture him earnestly explaining the rest of the story so to speak. This is a roundabout way of connecting this topic to HPSoundings, HP's last gasp website. Here is what he posted a year ago, in edited form leaving out the padding:

"It isn’t often that an audio component, upon first sight/listen makes this particular reviewer drool.  But the Air Force ONE has done just that.

It is immediately obvious that this is not only a classic, but a reference that gives the state-of-the-art Clearaudio (The Statement) super table hot pursuit, even at times exceeds that classic. (Just wish we had been able to keep it longer to further explore its wonders.)

First of all, the Air Force One is the quietest of the tables that has crossed our path here in Sea Cliff.  Indeed, it is so very good in this regard that we found dynamic extension on LPs that we simply had not suspected encoded in their grooves ... You quite simply get closer to the experience of the music itself and, ironically, forget about the sonics per se. ....   This table is, in my considered judgment, in a class by itself, and I am hoping for its use as a long-term loan for reference purposes."


That didn't pan out for HP as they only allowed him 3 weeks to gaze at it, so this is what he wrote about the Kronos Turntable a few months later:

"This Canadian import is, physically, one of the most beautiful looking of the new wave in turntable design.  .... About this, more later, but, for the nonce, know that it is quiet, highly so, and so stable that recorded  images seem to float solidly on cushions of their own ambient makings, allowing it to achieve sensationally wide dynamics. I must say that upon first listen, the LP’s sound less like recordings and more like music. I do not, at least yet, hear any “signature sound” or sonic identity. It does not impose itself upon the music or impart distinctive coloration to the recordings. I do not hear the turntable, only the music.

A masterpiece of design, but not of cost.  At $28,000 or so, it is still a bargain, given the comparable cost of sonically competing designs."


I guess he means Air Force One??



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N-set
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Post #: 53
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AE
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 Stitch wrote:


Probably Albert Einstein was an early Audiophile, don't know, but to quote him: 
"Two Things Are Infinite: the Universe and Human Stupidity"


He was a physicist, he knew how physics looked like from the inside.
...and the things got considerably worse since his times. he was very right.



Cheers,
Jarek
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N-set
Gdansk, Poland
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Post #: 54
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Next level
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Next level of foolishnes: $2800 for  a record clamp (!!!)

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/tweaks-shun-mook-lp-clamp-and-accessories-2013-11-22-accessories-canada

Bravo marketing people!




Cheers,
Jarek
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Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 55
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How more stupid it could get?
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Here is there the “crazy” Stitch bitching about the “The Foolishness of Analog People” and about new turntables/arms the Morons invent each month. Those new turntables/arms are somewhere at borderline between absurdity and retardation and to their best some of those stupid turntables are virtualization of the famous Hilbert's hotel paradox. The case to point: how more stupid it could get?

RidiculesTT.jpg

I got this image from twogoodears webe site.

http://twogoodears.blogspot.com/2014/01/baasner-turntable.html
 
He said that the TT has “barriers to protect the mechanism from unwanted air movement”. So, I presume that this Plexiglas fence that they have around platter is the “unwanted air movement” protection. They forgot to put a message to unwanted air waves that they shall not come there anymore. What in fact I would like to see is the IQ test of the idiot who would buy it.


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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N-set
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DIY
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I think it's a DIY construction...with the arm "floating in water".
I'm waiting for the idiot who would try to make
the arm itself out of water.

Cheers,N-set



Cheers,
Jarek
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rickmcinnis
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Late to the discussion but cannot resist
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If Romy told me to buy a turntable I would buy it.
To think someone would take the advice of Michael Fremer over Mr. Besnow boggles my mind.
The above turntable has to be the most vulgar absurdity I have ever seen.
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