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06-03-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
el`Ol
Posts 225
Joined on 10-13-2007

Post #: 21
Post ID: 7525
Reply to: 7519
Totally different direction
Hello Romy,

I don´t know how much sensitivity you can sacrifice, but maybe the Visaton Ti 100 could be worth a try. With an EBP of 155 it should be more or less horn-suitable (I didn´t simulate), it has a horribly undampened titanium diaphragm and is said to be excellent when you manage to stay away from its awful resonance peak.
http://www.visaton.de/en/chassis_zubehoer/tiefmittelton/ti100_8.html

Regards,
Oliver
07-11-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
el`Ol
Posts 225
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Post #: 22
Post ID: 7795
Reply to: 7525
Görlich in horn
Hello Romy!

I just listened to this system http://www.hornfabrik-eder.de/index.htm which has an 8" Görlich in the upper bass horn and I couldn´t find anything "inherently faulty" about > 4" without compression. The kettledrums sounded as they should and I found the bass is rather the strength of that system.
BTW,
The suggestion of trying the Visaton minibass wasn´t a joke. I don´t know your horn´s geometry, but in general it simulates quite nicely with 100dB sensitivity and not too rugged response.

Regards,
Oliver
07-12-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
Posts 9,715
Joined on 05-27-2004

Post #: 23
Post ID: 7799
Reply to: 7795
The horn loaded Görlich?

 el`Ol wrote:
Hello Romy!

I just listened to this system http://www.hornfabrik-eder.de/index.htm which has an 8" Görlich in the upper bass horn and I couldn´t find anything "inherently faulty" about > 4" without compression. The kettledrums sounded as they should and I found the bass is rather the strength of that system.
BTW,
The suggestion of trying the Visaton minibass wasn´t a joke. I don´t know your horn´s geometry, but in general it simulates quite nicely with 100dB sensitivity and not too rugged response.

Oliver,

It was intersecting Horns installation, in many ways deriding from many of Macondo axioms…

The horn loaded Görlich? Well, it might be controversial even though I love the Görlich drivers. I have to note that it is absolutely impossible to predict how a driver might sound horn loaded, so all my concerns might be a not be applicable. However, I do have some theoretical concerns for this given placation. Let me to enumerate them:

1)    8" Görlich has too low resonant frequency for upperbass horn
2)    Görlich has very soft suspension made from quite resonant rubber
3)    Görlich has too much excursion for the duty
4)    Görlich has too little sensitively
5)    Alleged need to for sharper then necessary high-pass filter

Saying all of it I have to add – you never know and horn loaded Görlich need to be tried as any other driver-candidate. I might only assume that Görlich would require a different type of back chamber chandelling then the other better horn drivers. What kind handling is possible to say one during the actual experiments and the actual listening…

Well, all things shell come in right time.  If I was in a “experiments mode” with my upperbass then I would try it but I do not see myself to do it at this point. It would be interesting to hear the thoughts of the guys who did try to horn load Görlich. Unfortunately I do not read German and I do not know what the linked guy says (if he says anything about the subject)

The Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
07-13-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
el`Ol
Posts 225
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Post #: 24
Post ID: 7813
Reply to: 7799
The Görlich´s surround
Hello Romy!

The drivers with rubber surround you saw/heard were remakes from ATD (those who manufacture the drivers formerly used in the Magico Mini). The original Görlichs have textile surrounds.
07-13-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
el`Ol
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Post #: 25
Post ID: 7814
Reply to: 7813
The new Görlichs´ surround
It seems most of the current production Görlichs have rubber surround. They are not so well-known among DIYers because prices have gone WAY up.
07-13-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
el`Ol
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Post #: 26
Post ID: 7815
Reply to: 7813
The new Görlichs´ surrounds

Correction: Most of the current production Görlichs seem to have rubber surround, too. They are not so well-known among DIYers because prices have gone WAY up. There is no 8"er, so the ones I have listened to are old production.

07-14-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 27
Post ID: 7822
Reply to: 7815
The cloth-suspended Görlichs?
Oliver, I am little confused.

I was under impression that difference between original Görlichs and the most recent ATD was that ATD used titanium foil vs. Görlichs used aluminum. The two drivers that I had in past were 8” and 6” (perhaps not exactly as they were measure in centimeters). The drivers that I had were sold to me as the original Görlichs and they have rubber. I did not know that Görlichs made cloth suspension… I would be surprised as cloth would make the driver hardly useable for the way how Görlichs intend to use their drivers – as the direct radiators of 2-ways speakers. The cloth suspension would make them more like a driver for 3-4 ways speakers… Anyhow, I never knew that the cloth-suspended Görlichs ever existed

Rgs the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
07-15-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Markus
Posts 68
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Post #: 28
Post ID: 7824
Reply to: 7822
Haven't seen one either
I've never seen a cloth-suspended Görlich driver, either. I can't imagine any existing, except perhaps as a prototype or a one-off special.
07-16-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
el`Ol
Posts 225
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Post #: 29
Post ID: 7825
Reply to: 7824
ATD, cloth surround and other confusion
Hello!

I am very sure the old ones had cloth surround, because there has been some talk about treating dried out surrounds. Among the new ones there is only one with cloth surround. http://www.microprecision.de/6.html Here a link to the ATD remakes http://www.olimpiaudio.com/Prodotti/ATD/ATD.html As far as I know the studio monitors equiped with Görlich drivers were never two-way.
BTW:
In an older factory visit (6moons?) at Magico I saw some speakers (probably custom) with either one or the other, so they probably know they are better than the vaporized titanium drivers. But they also know few of their custumers would accept the look of the Görlichs.
07-17-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
Romy the Cat


Boston, MA
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Post #: 30
Post ID: 7834
Reply to: 7825
How many drivers a person need?

Oliver,

Yes, in the first links that you sent it is clearly visible a fabric suspension – very interesting. Who is that guys? Are his drivers commercially available? Well, I asked and then I made a pose for myself. Well, a hard-suspended and fabric-suspended Görlichs would be a very interesting driver to try but… do I need it. I mean, it might be a very good driver but what use I have from it? I am kind of all set with speakers and even if those fabric-suspended drivers are available then would I buy them? Well, I have a storage filed with many exotic drivers that experimented and deseeded that they have a potential. I have so many of them that sometimes I go to my storage and discover a driver that I do not even remember I had. I perfectly understand that with Macondo I would never use any “saved for future” drivers but still when I come across to an interesting driver would then some idiotic forces with me made me to buy them. I was asking about the fabric-suspended Görlichs BUT I was wondering: do I really need it? Women buying their 4345534th pair of shoes that they never were perhaps feel the same way but I am not a compulsive shoe-shopping woman but a man that (I hope!) has more rational in my head. So, I think I would pass to learn more about the fabric-suspended Görlichs. I do admit that it might be very interesting driver but… I would live to other the opportunity to discover this direction further. I just see not need of it for myself…

Rgs, Romy the Cat


"I wish I could score everything for horns." - Richard Wagner. "Our writing equipment takes part in the forming of our thoughts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
07-17-2008 Post does not mapped to Knowledge Tree
el`Ol
Posts 225
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Post #: 31
Post ID: 7835
Reply to: 7834
Görlich again
Hello Romy!

The guy you can see in the picture is Mr. Görlich himself. There had been some awards for old Görlich speakers in the CAR sector, and so Mr. Görlich was "exhumated" by a car audio guy. The drivers have rubber surround now, have 4 Ohm and cost about twice as much. The car people seem to be prepared to pay more than the home DIYers.
Here is a picture of an old Görlich driver. The surround looks like ruber because it is not folded, but is textile:
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