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In the Forum: Melquiades Amplifier
In the Thread: Planning my DSET
Post Subject: There is truly no answer.Posted by Romy the Cat on: 6/2/2015
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 anthony wrote:
I have secured a couple of pair of YO186 and some 1940's Sylvania 45's to play with.  I wish the YO186 were easier to come by but I think that I now have enough for me to get a very good idea of the capabilities of the tube and circuit, and how they will suit my objectives.

Still, I am thinking about the 10Y/801A/VT25/VT62.  Romy, I understand that to bring the 10Y into Melquides I would need 7.5V for the filaments and about 400V for the plate.  Plate resistance is higher in the 10's, 5k compared to about 1.2k-1.6k for YO186/45, and I am not sure how this would affect operation of the Milq circuit particularly interstage coupling.  Reading up I have noticed that some guys prefer much more primary impedance in the OPT than the 10k specified in the 10Y datasheet, up to 16k in fact.  Of course this is in the context of a full-range implementation but I notice that the David Slagle OPT that you use for MF has a 9k primary impedance (if my memory serves me right), which is getting near there already.

I have noticed that you have written about your interest in the 10Y, and I am for sure no circuit designer, but given your experience with Milq perhaps you could share some of your thoughts about the viability of putting this tube into the Milq for MF.  Compared to the 45, I am not sure what extra the 10Y would bring as far as sound is concerned (I can only go on "impressions" of other people with other systems using the tubes differently), but seeing as though I will be starting from scratch with my DSET I would be able to add the required voltages for 10Y upfront so long as it does not look too difficult to get the tube to work with 6E6P.

Well, the YO186 and Type 45 are in way the same tubes as they to a degree might use the same OPT and have near the same operational points. You can make an amp with both tube sockets and you will be able to plug in probably 80% of DHT out there. Wherever YO186 goes you will be able to put PX4, RE604, RE-614, LK460, 610 and other does of 4V tubes, that arguably the best tube out there, In Type 45 socket you will be able to plug any 45, 50, 2A3  and many other tubes. This will give you incredible playground. Is it necessary? When I was building the amp and experimented I would say that it was. As now I feel that that it was not necessary and sine I found my winning configuration I do not take advantage of changing anything. If you want to spread the amp to use 10Y/801A/VT25/VT62 then you would need another socket with another filament voltage, might higher plate voltage and another transformer. Is it double? Of cause it does! However, if I did it again then I would not do it in context of multi-channel amplifier but rather I would make a maket amplifier able would test my ideas with it. 
 
You see, the problem is that the “best” MF amplifier for you will be NOT the best amplifier but rather the best amp that would feet into the schema of your demands and the capacities of the rest of your channels. It is VERY hard to estimate what would it be, not to mention that your audio expectation might be a moving target and most likely will be recompiled after the first revision of you project will be over. 
 
I would not be advising you about the use of 10Y as I do not have proven experience with this tube. My short and environmentally not-kosher experiments with this tube did show great potential but it was a bit wrong direction to me. The 10Y was super clean tube, kind of aka Type 45 only even “cleaner”. I however was not looking for this cleanneness in my MF but rather I was looking for a lot of distortion but very specific type of distortion. The under-voltaged YO186 gave it to me, but I would never accept that same under-voltaged sound for a good full-range amplifier.

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