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Post Subject: Re: The EdgarHorns: the new old business planPosted by Kerry Brown on: 9/16/2005
Romy,
Funny stuff... especially the the AN piece. Equally surprised octopodes ? Brilliant !
As for the Bruce Edgar post ? Not as funny. And it's off base.
The Titan II system has a straight axis upper bass horn instead of a folded upper bass horn like the first version of that system ? So what ?
When Bruce realized a straight axis horn was a better choice he went with it. Like a good scientist.
As far as the price ? A $20,000 Titan II system is still a better deal than super systems by Wilson, Avantgarde, Dynaudio, Revel, etc., etc..
Besides which, if you are willing to invest some time and energy, Bruce will sell you unfinished horns for a small fraction of normal retail.
My speakers are basically a ' Titan II ' system and believe me they did not cost anywhere near 20 grand.
Lightly built horns ? So what ? Fill the voids with sand like I did. No big deal. The construction and materials are plenty sturdy enough to hold a couple hundred pounds of sand.
Throat size ? The throat size of those 80 Hz horns is correct. Regardless of convention. With JBL 150-4C's the bass is incredibly good.
Time alignment ? It's not nearly as critical as many claim.
Mass loading ? Again... just use sand. Bruce does acknowledge the benefits.
Rectangular vs round ? I doubt that a round version of Edgar's 80 Hz horn would sound much different. Maybe... there's no way to know though without actually making one. And I don't think Bruce has ever done that. He has compared rectangular midrange horns to round ones though and he says the differences are minor. I believe that. My rectangular tractrix midrange horns sound very good... and so do my round tractrix horns.
As for nearfield listening ? Bruce does like some distance, but he knows that near field listening does work well with horns.
I think you are far too hard on Bruce Edgar. He actually does care about performance. And about value. He's a good man.
And as far as performance ? I have heard many many high end speakers, and just as many horn systems, old and new, and nothing I have heard even comes close to Edgar's stuff.
The combination of Bruce Edgar's horn subwoofers, 80 Hz horns and tractrix horns is just plain amazing ( especially with a DEQX digital crossover/preamp ) !
As for Edgar's business plan ? If he can sell $20,000, or $10,000, or $100,000 systems to folks with more money than sense ? More power to him.
Bruce would like to ride the gravy train - just like you and me.
But he is not trying to fool anybody. Unlike most of the BS artists in audio ( eg., invasive free electrons etc. ).
Kerry Brown
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