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In the Thread: Loudspeakers and headphones
Post Subject: Loudspeakers and headphonesPosted by Ronnie on: 6/30/2005

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Hello Roman and friends,

Here's a first post from me, to say hi and let you know why I've joined and perhaps ask a few questions...

I'm building a pair of loudspeakers, with close to zero experience with loudspeaker building, hoping that the Macondos do close to what I'm after, and that therefore you might be the person to ask for some guidance, and perhaps steer me clear of silly ideas.

I don't have any audiophile vocabulary and very little exposure to the "high end", but have a moderately clear picture of where I want the speakers to go, sound-wise, and how they can then be used as tools for transformative audio experience, party and ecstacy. Amen!

HEADPHONES
At this level it is fairly easy. I want my loudspeakers to get close to presenting what I hear with my headphones (using any crappy source).
A while back, I played around with a first speaker project, consisting of Coral Beta 10 fullrange speakers in a few different settings. Front-loaded, back-loaded, with added horn-bass and on their own, and thought it sometimes sounded pretty good compared to the usual rubbish the hifi-shops carry in Sweden (admittedly, I have hardly entered a hifi shop in many many years now. Things could perhaps have shaped up a bit).
Then, when I got a pair of very modestly priced (beyerdynamic) headphones, I realized that it was silly. I mean.. there were lots of instruments that couldn't even be heard from my speakers, and singers emotions and characters could have been completely misunderstood. I'm happy with the headphones, but would now also like to have access to the effect without wearing them, and to be able to share the experience with others simultaneously.

I imagine that my loudspeaker evaluations will be a lot about switching between headphones and speakers to begin with.


To what extent have you used headphones as a yardstick for your loudspeaker projects?
How many of the systems out there are even capable of presenting ALL instruments so that they are easily discernable, and present the basic mood and character of singers, in the way decent headphones cannot fail to do?
I know that many don't like the feeling of having whole orchestras in their heads (something I think is great), but I feel it is silly to talk about tone, PRaT, extension and yada yada before a loudspeaker can clearly present every instrument, like headphones do with ease.
I get the impression that many who play with speakers would rather pretend as if there were no headphones, because it makes it obvious how insignificant their results are. But I won't rule out that I've just been in "bad company", and in a terrible location geographically!
What are your feelings about this? Am I just inexperienced, and would a pair of well setup Avantgarde, Oris, Edgar or some other horns change my prejudice about the results that people are actully achieving around the world today?

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