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Posted on: 9-27-07

jessie.dazzle

Paris, France
Posts: 456



Thread: Adding one more spherical to Macondo.
           Reply: Crossing in the middle  
For anyone playing with S2s and horns, particularly if contemplating splitting the mid-range between two drivers/horns...

Jessie Dazzle wrote (in the context of the compressed recordings thread) :

"...Another thing that seems to make compressed recordings more tolerable...The other day I tried letting the 180Hz lower-mid horn do more, and the 400Hz upper-mid horn do less, by moving the crossover points up. I need to take time and listen to it more with a clear head. I don't yet know if it is better or worse when playing well-recorded music. I also have not measured the output. My motivation in trying this was to let the the  upper-mid S2 concentrate only on the upper half of the mid-range..."

I've been listening for about one week now with the filters set so the hand off from lower-mid to upper-mid happens higher up (upper-mid S2 is high-passed at 4800Hz instead of 3200Hz), meaning the small 400Hz horn is doing only the upper "half" of the mid range. I left the 180Hz horn as it was (790-3200Hz).

I have been playing everything from content-loaded classical to "modern beat-driven music", to compressed pop, to some damn intense electronic***(ok ok, see note at end)...

I have not measured the output (too many other things to finish). I don't know exactly where the acoustic transition is happening, or if I am leaving a range uncovered. The point is, that the difference is such that I don't need to measure anything to be sure that this is better than when I had the upper-mid horn high-passed (electronically) lower down, at 3200Hz. I was most likely getting some overlap in the crossover region between the two horns (I don't attenuate the 180Hz "Fundamentals Channel", or any other channels).

So the 180Hz horn is currently handling two octaves (electronically), the 400Hz horn is also now handling only two octaves (electronically)... I like what I hear well enough to not ask these horns to do more than this. If measurement reveals an uncovered zone between the two, I would rather add another horn than to ask more of the existing horns...

jd*

***The off-thread "Note at end" :

While I listen mostly to music made by "acoustic instruments" and vocals (lots of "Lieder" recently... I sort of inherited a library), I will, at the risk of completely discrediting myself, state the following:

There IS electronic music that has nothing to do with the thumping mindless "Techno" club, cut & paste poorly recorded garbage we most often associate with the genre... it can be very well done... I would even go so far as to say that it is the genre that most closely approaches classical... and as I am discovering, it can be extremely well portrayed by an as yet incomplete full-range horn system with good lower-bass capacity.

Of course an oboe played by a synthesizer is not the same as the real thing (these guys don't have the means to employ 37 musicians), but listening to this music, one is less looking for that sort of fidelity... There is quality in the sound, but it is more about sheer creativity and the overall message... seen as an abstract representation, in the best cases, the issue of not having the real instrument is just not an issue. Yes it may have started off wanting to be an oboe, but it is now just sound, and of interest here is how that sound is employed. This sort of system will bring out the care that was put into the creation of such music, in a way that has little to do with what we look for (technically) in traditional acoustic performances.
How to short-circuit evolution: Enshrine mediocrity.
 Posted Date All replies in the thread
  5-23-06   Adding one more spherical to Macondo.   (5-23-06)..Romy the Cat
  5-25-06   A loss of axial symmetry   (5-25-06)..drdna
  5-25-06   GOTO: am I a hypocrite?   (5-25-06)..Romy the Cat
  5-25-06   The axial symmetry at 750Hz?   (5-25-06)..Romy the Cat
  5-25-06   Re: GOTO   (5-25-06)..slowmotion
  5-25-06   Back to the imaging of the fifth wheel.   (5-25-06)..Romy the Cat
  5-25-06   Re: Adding one more spherical to Macondo.   (5-25-06)..Wojtek
  5-25-06   The fundamentals channel: the first blood   (5-25-06)..Romy the Cat
  5-26-06   Stacking the horns: bad idea   (5-26-06)..Romy the Cat
  5-26-06   Some examples with Fundamentals Channel   (5-26-06)..Romy the Cat
  5-27-06   The S2 “fundamentals channel” – first success!   (5-27-06)..Romy the Cat
  5-30-06   Another example of use of a Fundamentals Channel.   (5-30-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-9-06   The “Fundamentals Channel” horns are here...   (8-9-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-11-06   "Pile O' Horns"   (8-11-06)..NBC
  8-11-06   Re: "Pile O' Horns"   (8-11-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-11-06   Horn mouth termination   (8-11-06)..NBC
  8-12-06   Bad "choked" mouth termination.   (8-12-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-12-06   Re: Adding one to Macondo: Beautifully wasted Saturday!   (8-12-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-13-06   New “fundamental channel”: juts pictures.   (8-13-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-14-06   The “Fundamental channel” - the first blood.   (8-14-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-14-06   Re: The “Fundamental channel” - potential mechanical HF filter   (8-14-06)..cv
  8-14-06   Re: The “Fundamental channel” - potential mechanical HF filter   (8-14-06)..NBC
  8-14-06   The new channel, phase plug and the objectives   (8-14-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-14-06   I love, I love, I love it!   (8-14-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-15-06   The new channel: first disappointment.   (8-15-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-18-06   More mysteries and THE Honk.   (8-18-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-18-06   Re: More mysteries - bizarre crossover effects   (8-18-06)..cv
  8-18-06   No mysteries in there but still the bizarre crossover effect...   (8-18-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-18-06   The new channel! Yes! I got it!!!   (8-18-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-20-06   Re: 2nd Order filter   (8-20-06)..guy sergeant
  8-20-06   Yes, in my case 2nd Order.   (8-20-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-20-06   The “fundamental channel”: the final tune.   (8-20-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-20-06   Re: Honk that Horn?   (8-20-06)..hagtech
  8-20-06   The ordinary honk of the bad horns owners.   (8-20-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-23-06   The “fundamental channel”: What a beauty!!!   (8-23-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-26-06   Some thoughts about my New Macondo's Absolute Tone   (8-26-06)..Romy the Cat
  8-27-06   Re: Some thoughts about my New Macondo   (8-27-06)..NBC
  7-28-07   "Absolute tone" - I was missing that Sound   (7-28-07)..Romy the Cat
  8-7-07   The Fundamentals Channel around S2 is taken further.   (8-7-07)..Romy the Cat
  8-10-07   Redesign the Vitavox S2 back chamber’s cover.   (8-10-07)..Romy the Cat
  8-10-07   Vent or Augment?   (8-10-07)..jessie.dazzle
  8-10-07   The chamber pressure leaking.   (8-10-07)..Romy the Cat
  8-10-07   A range of spacers?   (8-10-07)..Paul S
  8-10-07   A microscopic pneumatic valve? The field-coil… diaphragm damping?   (8-10-07)..Romy the Cat
  8-10-07   Control that leak!   (8-10-07)..jessie.dazzle
  8-10-07   control that leak! Part II   (8-10-07)..jessie.dazzle
  8-10-07   The leaked S2, one step forward & two back   (8-10-07)..Romy the Cat
  8-10-07   0 - 1 SCFM at 50 PSI?   (8-10-07)..Paul S
  8-11-07   Controlling my own leak!   (8-11-07)..jessie.dazzle
  8-11-07   The Bermuda Triangle rediscovered?   (8-11-07)..Romy the Cat
  8-12-07   Slowly rolling back…   (8-12-07)..Romy the Cat
  8-12-07   Back to Bermuda...   (8-12-07)..jessie.dazzle
  8-12-07   Who cares what Vitavox did?!   (8-12-07)..Romy the Cat
  8-12-07   297.875Hz ; The magic number?   (8-12-07)..jessie.dazzle
  8-12-07   The Vitavox S2 back chamber stuffing.   (8-12-07)..Romy the Cat
  9-27-07   Crossing in the middle   (9-27-07)..jessie.dazzle
  9-28-07   I migh be the phase "clicking"....   (9-28-07)..Romy the Cat
  9-28-07   Further observations   (9-28-07)..jessie.dazzle
  9-28-07   "I will try to take some measurements soon"...   (9-28-07)..Romy the Cat
  9-28-07   Correction & Vertical shift   (9-28-07)..jessie.dazzle
  9-28-07   Three mid channels crossovering - playing in the middle.   (9-28-07)..Romy the Cat
  1-13-08   The 6-ch Milq: Fundamentals vs. Injection Channels.   (1-13-08)..Romy the Cat
  6-10-08   How JBL is trying to do my “fundamentals channel”.   (6-10-08)..Romy the Cat
  6-20-08   250Hz tractrix upper range..?   (6-20-08)..NBC
  6-21-08   This is a universal crossover rule   (6-21-08)..Romy the Cat
  6-22-08   Specifically...   (6-22-08)..NBC
  10-28-08   The Fundamental Chanel gets a new driver.   (10-28-08)..Romy the Cat
  10-29-08   S2 : How low can you go ?   (10-29-08)..jessie.dazzle
  10-29-08   The low-path knee of Fundamentals Channel.   (10-29-08)..Romy the Cat
  10-29-08   Yep, I went for it. It is S3 now.   (10-29-08)..Romy the Cat
  10-30-08   Correction upon further inspection of the Black Hole   (10-30-08)..Romy the Cat
  10-30-08   Fundamental evolution   (10-30-08)..jessie.dazzle
  10-30-08   Channels, drivers design and some RTA rant.   (10-30-08)..Romy the Cat
  10-30-08   MF ramblings &&&   (10-30-08)..jessie.dazzle
  6-10-09   New options for Fundamentals channels.   (6-10-09)..Romy the Cat
  6-11-09   Efficiency?   (6-11-09)..Paul S
  6-28-09   The new life of the Fundamentals Channel.   (6-28-09)..Romy the Cat
  3-16-10   Macondo’s alternation of Fundamentals Channel.   (3-16-10)..Romy the Cat
  9-27-10   New Fundamental Channel.   (9-27-10)..Romy the Cat
  9-28-10   Option   (9-28-10)..Dominik
  9-28-10   Stereolab   (9-28-10)..el`Ol
  9-28-10   Revisiting the fundamentals   (9-28-10)..jessie.dazzle
  9-28-10   Macondo with wings and wide Fundamentals …   (9-28-10)..Romy the Cat
  9-28-10   Multicellular Horns   (9-28-10)..Dominik
  9-28-10   15 cell vs.18 cell   (9-28-10)..Romy the Cat
  9-28-10   Where to cross MF & theory on depiction of depth   (9-28-10)..jessie.dazzle
  9-28-10   The thoughts salad.   (9-28-10)..Romy the Cat
  9-28-10   Depth in stereo & the Flat Earth Society   (9-28-10)..jessie.dazzle
  12-13-10   Fundamental Channel, what a power!!!   (12-13-10)..Romy the Cat
  3-31-11   S3 as a low MF driver   (3-31-11)..gordan
  3-31-11   Depending on your amplification   (3-31-11)..Romy the Cat
  4-1-11   S3 and class A amps   (4-1-11)..gordan
  4-2-11   It is about magnet and SS type.   (4-2-11)..Romy the Cat

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