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Lamm introduced LL1 Signature Preamp…

…and since it is in LL line I presume that it might be right along with LL2 Preamp – not particularly interesting preamp. In other words it is most likely the “positively expected” and “might be interesting” continuation of the L1 and L2 line.

As I understand the LL1 is one stage buffer with paralleled output tubes and all this costs $43K.

Again, I do not object the price but I question what is given for the price. 

http://www.lammindustries.com/PRODUCTS/LL1spec.html

http://www.lammindustries.com/PRODUCTS/LL1descr.html

The 17dB gain with Rated Output Voltage of 1V RMS? Am I missing anything?

Anyhow, a conventional PS with regulated filaments (very strange), no phase –switch, just 3 inputs (probably only one is “direct”), capacitor-coupled tube gain stage with 200R output impedance, no remote control, no phonostage… I do not know but I do not see a lot of send in all of it, but I also had a cold shoulder to LL1 ancestor - the LL2.

I hope Lamm is still working on L3 –the next preamp in the L1, L2 line. I hope it will have at least half dozen inputs, no idiotic tape loop, have a few options for RIAA inputs, have phase inversion options and the most important to have the distinctive X-factor impact to sound (unique phase processing) that L1/L2 had. I do not know how LL1 sound as if it employs any X-factor capacity but purely exploiting-wise it did not appear to me like anything that makes sense.  I hope it has transparent enough sound, but under some circumstance a $5 worth op-amp has transparent enough sound… Considering the most of the line-level preamps do not use gain I wonder in which direction the LL1 leads.

Thos manufacturers spray the trims for their models: Reference, Signature, Statement and etc… This one is Signature. I did not hear preamp it but from what I see in description it appears to me that it is a strange Signature…

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It six month as Lamm released his LL1 preamp but I do not see any “jitter” about the sound of the unit. Even the Lamms’ leash-driven, in-house bitches from Soundstage do not publish any “review”. I did not see even any talk online about LL1. This is very sad and it would be very interning if the LL1 has inherent the L1/L2’s “X-factor” that I describe in the “keys to mystery” article.  I still debating of the L1/L2’s “X-factor” was a lucky accident, sort of byproduct of the SS output stage that Vladimir used in  L1/L2 or it was well-intended quality of sophisticated and super smart phase processing. I think listing the LL1 shell answer this question as it has tube buffer.

I know that many people, even among those who used the L1/L2 for years, are still clueless about “X-factor”. It is normal, the accidental people are clueless. Still, I hope those who would buy/try the Lamm LL1 would speak out and they might inadvertently express something that I might interpret in the direction that I know. So, if anybody hear the Lamm LL1 or anything about the Lamm LL1’s sound then let me know.

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The only one Lamm LL1 use and he turns to be an idiot!

A site visitor sent me a link to Oneobgyn playback at Audiogone as Oneobgyn uses Lamm LL1.

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr_memb.pl?vaslt&1049587927&memb&zzOneobgyn

Whatever Oneobgyn was expressing at Audiogone about LL1 was not useful but rather diagnosable, not to mention that he acts as a dealer.

Another visitor pointed out that Oneobgyn has own forum, where I just registered and proposed him to express not his typical ecstatic empty idiocy but to express some sings of lucid thinking about LL1. I had a number of specific questions that I was interested and that proposed him to answer.  The guy deleted my post and banned from his site.  I think it was a “huge” lost for me. I guess the real lost was on him as he lost the only opportunity for himself to learn and to understand something about the Lamm LL1 sound.

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Lamm LL1 at CES-2010

Yes, it is a bit ridicules to have 4 boxes – a clearly money-raising project. Probably Lamm need to make it 2 chassis init with box #5 is to store manuals and box #6 to store the tube replacements. Talking about tube – one gain state with 4 paralleled Russian 6H30? I an not a huge fun to tube paralleling but Russian tubes that are notoriously difficult to match and to keep matched is shell be truly fun to maintain.

Lamm LL1 at CES 2010

4 parallel tubes with 200R output impedance and 4 inputs. Looks like cathode biased and capacitor coupled. The TKD stepped pots that I would question for best results and circuit board mount.  I do not know …

Looking on the back of the unit I do not truly under what Lamm did with outputs and why he devised into on two section – it a monoblock! So, a unit has 5 outputs, which is OK. For 5 outputs it shall have less then 200R output impedance but I guess it can ran a lot of current from those 200R. What kind people would need multiple out from preamps? Probably the people who run multi-amping, right? Was the ML3 made with objective of multi-amping? Yeh, you wish!

Anyhow, I do not like this preamp and I think it was just Lamm’s collection attempt from the people who uses his L2. If the LL1 has the positive quality of L1/L2 presentation is most like will not be known as a few people I know who owns the LL1 now are idiots and it is not clear how serious will be the future LL1 users. This LL1 vs. L1/L2 preservation of the X-factor that I described before is the only interesting factor to me in LL1. I do not see in LL1 any phase correction element but it might be very settled and not obvious to an ignorant observer.

Anyhow, I think the LL1 is proxy preams while Lamm will make the true needed a statement, preamp. The statement would have optimized stages, wit, on-board phonostage, 6-7 inputs, and sub 50R out impedance…  I wonder who would do it first – Lamm make his next full-function preamp or Guy Hummel would come up with his own RIAA add-in?
The Cat


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Mickelson’s write up about Lamm LL1 Preamplifier

I did not read it yet.

http://www.theaudiobeat.com/equipment/lamm_ll1_signature.htm

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Mono Chassis are unique or?
I had no chance to listen to his latest Designs (I know his L2R, LL2 preamps and the ML2.1..) but probably he wanted to realize his latest ideas (who knows) or he realized that in some parts of the world his existing units are simply too cheap compared to others. Most wealthy Audiophiles want an exclusive car in rack size :-), I think, those will havea new idea about spending their money... 


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Vladimir Lamm reviews Mark Mickelson?
I did glance over the Mickelson’s articles and it amasses me to what level of arrogance those reviewing people are able to descent. The whole article is so remarkably about nothing that I even surprised that Lamm signed it off. (All “reviews” that this “journalist” does are approved and sighed off by manufacturers). In fact there is even one interesting moment in this article. This “review” is so saturated with bogus mistakes and ridicules self-contradictory statesman that I think that Lamm desired do not correct them in order to show to a thinking reader that the preamp was “reviewed” by an imbecile.  The idiocy of thoughts in the article is too obvious and I wonder why Vladimir did not correct them. Anyhow, the idea that in phase-inverted preamp a person need to “swap the positive and negative connections” at speaker was certainly brilliant. Not the less that the idea of the full-wave rectification becomes “complex and expensive way to implement a power supply”.  I think the next this that Mark Mickelson needs to “review” the audio fuses made from superconductive material…

I wonder if those people do not to tire from themselves? Do then have any shame to publish this crap?

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 Romy the Cat wrote:
... to show to a thinking reader that the preamp was “reviewed” by an imbecile.  The idiocy of thoughts in the article is too obvious ...

The Cat

*Ahem*
A thinking Reader?
In the audiophile world of today??

Here is the earth a disc.


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Another Lamm LL1 review.

It is amassing how a guy can so much talk and to say nothing. According him Lamm invented PS and Class A operation…

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/preamplifiers/854-lamm-ll1-signature-stereo-tube-preamplifier.html?showall=1

The review is idiotic but I wonder- why a gay with old BAT VK3 or VK5 was given to review LL1? BAT preamps are so far from Lamms that this JJ is obviously uninformed and not qualified. I would like at least a heavy L2 user to play with LL1….

The entire reviews praise LL1 for low amount of distortion with not feedback. JJ said: “Each one (driving stage) is a low impedance (800 ohms) dual triode, so basically here, you have eight triodes driving the signal.” OK, I wonder how eight triodes can be in driving sit if the unit is balanced. If all 4 tube are paralleled then what drives the other half of balanced circuit? Am I an  idiot or that JJ is an idiot?

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Unfortunately this will be a rare unit based on price and I would love to listen to it. I know the L2R and LL2 and I was really impressed from the LL2.

A "review" today is always more or less the same writing. I can't imagine, that there is really someone out there who is willing to write the "truth". Whatever this is.

I spoke with some Importers about reviews in general and I was really amazed, that they aren't really interested in a top report. It is absolutely ok, when there are a few pages about something and no one can read something useful about it.

A review is important to potential customers who look for some information and when there is a review about it available, then it is fine.
I read a lot and compared a lot and in final I can say, those units which were horrible for me, got the same positive sentences in a review like those, which were really pushing the curtain.


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Lammb vs. Camel.
It is not about a purpose or importance of a review. This guy set his review as some kind of topological exploration of LL1 operation. However, instead of it he copied the pages from Electronics for Beginners and said practically nothing that relates to the given preamp. How cool would it be if JJ would explore how Lamm maintains second harmonics and how the saturation of second harmonics at different volume level affects sound? You did not see in but what you see was a bunch of generic comments about irrelevant topologies and mistaken judgments about the operation of the given unit. With the same effect the guy could write an essay about proliferation of camels in sub-Sahara Africa and to call it “Lamm LL1 review”.

The Cat


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